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Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I've recently finish with a monk, and one of my guild mates told me he did a few of the missions charging for his services.

So just wondering, how much do you usually charge for your services? And which are the best missions to do this for?

Aniewiel · Jul 19, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I suppose that if you -must- do this, you charge what the market will bear. If you get a blind invite into someone's party, tell them that you will take a donation or ask what they'd be willing to pay for your *cough* services. Then, either accept what the group offers, leave if you think it's not enough or leave if they decide not to pay you.

Throwing out an up front fee when you're looking for a party will probably get you ignored.

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Yes but i'm just wondering how much it usually is and what is the payment method?

In forge runs i only accept 3K runs - if they charge upfront, max i'll give is 500gp (thats nothing anyway). Then its 1.5K at rankor and 500gp at forge, usually.

Aniewiel · Jul 19, 2005, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Depending on the mission...and I would say your best bet to be "hired" would be in the Emberlight Camp and on missions...I can't imagine that you'd get more than 1k -total- from anyone. Monks are hard to find in those missions but not impossible.

That said, you might also turn a tidy profit in some of the more difficult jungle missions before reaching the desert. Some of those are quite hard and a level 20 healer would probably be appreciated.

You know, people might be more inclined to give you some gold if you told them you would accept donations rather than giving an up front price. People tend to be more amenable to the 'humility' of asking for donations rather than 'demanding' payment for service.

Just a thought.

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Why would I pay you for such services when Alesia and Lina are perfectly willing to satisfy my desires for free?

Drausius · Jul 19, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Depending on the mission...and I would say your best bet to be "hired" would be in the Emberlight Camp and on missions...I can't imagine that you'd get more than 1k -total- from anyone. Monks are hard to find in those missions but not impossible.

That said, you might also turn a tidy profit in some of the more difficult jungle missions before reaching the desert. Some of those are quite hard and a level 20 healer would probably be appreciated.

You know, people might be more inclined to give you some gold if you told them you would accept donations rather than giving an up front price. People tend to be more amenable to the 'humility' of asking for donations rather than 'demanding' payment for service.

Just a thought.

I'd have to agree here. A LOT of people (like Mithie) simply won't stand to pay someone to help with their mission. In fact, spamming a charge could seriously hurt your reputation with the player base. Asking for donations is a much better way to make a few gold rather than a standard fee.

Just remember though: as a monk, you'll usually get a free ride to Uw/Fow when you get to that point in the game.

Nash · Jul 19, 2005, 12:04 PM // 12:04

If a Monk would demand to be paid I'd take henchs too, or just get one off my list. It's just lame when people want to get paid to have people help them with a mission.

Lost · Jul 19, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Instead of taking people's money you could change into a farmer and pile up gold faster and also keep your reputation in tact.

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Nash

If a Monk would demand to be paid I'd take henchs too, or just get one off my list. It's just lame when people want to get paid to have people help them with a mission.

Well, I'd be perfectly willing to pay a monk 500 gold if, say, he were to solo the mission for me while I let my character sit at the spawn point and go take a coffee break. If he demands my help, I'll demand my gold back, because hey, I charge a fee for *my* services too.

Calimar · Jul 19, 2005, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Agreed Nash. No monk who asks for payment stays in MY group. I might just as well put him on ignore list.

But that's not the point here: he was asking how much would the market be. Well, for what I see it's about 3-5k for a Droknar's run, so assuming I did pay - and I don't - I'd pay abou 2k for a mission and 500-1k for a quest. 3-4k for FoW/UW.
Either way, it would be half at start, and half at completion of mission/quest. I take a risk since I don't know you and you might be incompetent, you take a risk on my honesty.

My opinion. But the only reason I can see to make someone pay for my services is if I'm roleplaying a Mercenary.

Now that I think of it, I'd answer a monk asking for money with somethg like "ok, I'll pay you 2k for the mission if you pay me 2k for MY part in the mission." That'd be cool

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Calimar

3-4k for FoW/UW.

3-4K for FoW/UW whats that about? Last i heard it was 1plat to get in?

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by Darksci

3-4K for FoW/UW whats that about? Last i heard it was 1plat to get in?

Isn't he talking about running there? Why you wouldn't run there yourself after ascension is beyond me, but it seems like that's what he's talking about.

Aniewiel · Jul 19, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Calimar

Now that I think of it, I'd answer a monk asking for money with somethg like "ok, I'll pay you 2k for the mission if you pay me 2k for MY part in the mission." That'd be cool!

I LOVE THIS! LOL!

Mumblyfish · Jul 19, 2005, 12:25 PM // 12:25

If you're going to be despicable, you might as well go the whole hog. Pick a nice, hard mission and join a party as normal with a couple of friends in tow. Get near the end, then spring up the "If you don't give us <X>, we all leave". If they don't give you the money, disconnect. Bonus points if you Death Nova them then sit back and laugh, or lead any henchmen to their death before leaving. If they give you the money, you're golden. Disconnect and find another group to destroy, why stick around?

Honestly. Put some effort in.

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Well i've been to UW/FoW but i only use my trapper there. No need for a monk whenever i go there, since i'm always in a traper group.

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Firstly, if your charging you better be one god dam fantastic monk. if I was to pay a monk to help me out (and in some missions I would be more than happy to pay a professional), that monk better be dam fine, know what hes doing, and above all have plenty of information on said mission.

if you have done each mission less than 10 times, I would say dont charge, yet. Droknars runners (the legit ones) know there sh1t, if you dont dont know yours, your liable to get the bad end of the stick if you get my meaning.

that said, if you ARE a pro, then 1K should be about max, I mean, as many people have said, the henchman are there for free, sure there not as good, but at least should something stuff up, your not out 1K.

Squallox · Jul 19, 2005, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Any monk charging for "services" is pathetic in my books. If you want to get a bad rep though its up to you. Good luck.

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

you notice how few people can hold back, and not come in here and flame the topic? do you people have no self control?

I dont really agree with charging for any type of service, but that doesnt mean I should come in here and flame the crap out of it. the OP has every right to charge if he/she so wishes, so rather than being a dick and flaming, I gave frank-but-positive feedback.

get some self control, if you dont have anything on-topic to say, leave it out.

Diomedes · Jul 19, 2005, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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if you have done each mission less than 10 times, I would say dont charge, yet. Droknars runners (the legit ones) know there sh1t, if you dont dont know yours, your liable to get the bad end of the stick if you get my meaning.

See that's the thing (and Darksci, I am going to get to your point here, after this brief digression) a PUG has no way of knowing the quality of the monk that they are picking up. Because of this, the monk market will /always/ be bad. Let's say that half the monks in the world are worth 2 plat for a mission and half the monks in the world are TERRIBLE (I'm making these numbers up as an example, please don't debate them with me). Hence if I'm trying to complete a mission and I was paying a monk, I would never shell out that 2 plat since I might be saddled with the terrible monk worth zero plat. Instead I'd offer something like 800gp since if they turn out to be terrible I'll have more cash to pay someone else to try. Hence lack of information will always depreciate the value of a monk since unlike the Droknar's runners who demonstrate a lot of skill before they get any cash, you have no clue with a monk that you're picking up.

Now add to that the danger of getting scammed by a monk who takes cash and then drops and the price falls further. Now I'm only willing to pay say 600 gp since they might be (a) terrible or (b) drop and take my cash.

Finally, you have competition, the free henchmen. Sure they may not be as good in some ways, but it is competition. It's like going to the store and seeing a good six pack of Harp for $7 and next to it a 6 pack of ice house for $2. Sure the harp is better, but at the end of the day, both of 'em get the job done.

Thus I would say that making money as a monk by trying to charge is not going to work for you. I think getting a free ride to UW/FoW is as good as it gets.

-Diomedes

Tactical-Dillusions · Jul 19, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

I would just ask for any drops while in the mission. For example, "Hi team. If anybody doesn't want any items that drop, could i have them please?"

I have never charged and i never will but i have asked for items in this manner. It's polite and it stops loot going to waste.

Demonic remains and glitter seem to stack up in UW if you put out that message.

Those bits of junk can net you a few plat after a while.